tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post989759687703488022..comments2024-03-22T08:29:51.173-05:00Comments on UM & Global: Why "exit only" is the plan most likely to pass GC2019David W. Scotthttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17024204453848260271noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-44605230921086659762019-02-20T18:07:44.138-06:002019-02-20T18:07:44.138-06:00As I admire and commend your faithfulness to our l...As I admire and commend your faithfulness to our loving Lord Jesus, I also wonder if you have prayerfully thought about your “popular kid on the block” theology. The children of God who have been born with the propensity to love members of the same sex have never been the “popular kids” in the pews of the church... ever. Can we truly believe that we can just rehabilitate all the members of the LGBTQ community to allow them all the love and grace in our churches? Yes... we always love our neighbors as God has commanded, but why does that love stop at the pulpit? My daughter’s struggles through her young life, trying to resist her nature of homosexuality, was a terrible! She was baptized, raised and confirmed into the UMC. She loves Jesus and God. She tried so hard to deny herself to be, as she said, loved by God. I can’t believe that our loving Lord would make such an amazing, beautiful, smart, loving girl only to seem her an eternal sinner. Sm5coathttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12229732248365177107noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-41098180875742518202019-02-16T21:59:23.665-06:002019-02-16T21:59:23.665-06:00Amen!Amen!Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15341281600437280550noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-30386594714620233042019-02-16T13:56:36.538-06:002019-02-16T13:56:36.538-06:00One can be right in doctrine and hateful in attitu...One can be right in doctrine and hateful in attitude and vice versa. Bitterness betrays the transforming love of Jesus Christ no matter what one's theology. Using terms such as "bigoted", homophobic" or other terms from left or right destroy any remaining good-will, trust. and respect.Krehlawhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00432775866139099621noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-39066642295402390642019-02-16T12:28:35.980-06:002019-02-16T12:28:35.980-06:00So long as certain groups continue to believe tha...So long as certain groups continue to believe that the Holy Spirit endorses the plans they support and that compromise will not be led by the Spirit, our denomination is doomed.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-77593679881495053312019-02-16T07:54:33.052-06:002019-02-16T07:54:33.052-06:00What and to whom do you refer to when you use the ...What and to whom do you refer to when you use the words "bigot" and "bigoted"?matmanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17566369003818683974noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-89612973267270731082019-02-15T15:30:15.468-06:002019-02-15T15:30:15.468-06:00The Progressive Movement in the US since the late ...The Progressive Movement in the US since the late 19th Century declares the game ended when it prevails. Until then, there is no "end game." Consult a recent UMC poll of member beliefs and note that 20% polled self-identify as "Progressives." They aim toward a minority take-over of the denomination pertaining to "human sexuality" issues. If they lose in 2019, they'll be back again in 2020, then 2024...etc. It's how they roll. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-22738045647285992412019-02-15T15:24:47.007-06:002019-02-15T15:24:47.007-06:00It's about how to execute a cordial and fair s...It's about how to execute a cordial and fair split.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-12917988434323571012019-02-15T15:19:29.443-06:002019-02-15T15:19:29.443-06:00Are you to decide what is bigoted thought, and wha...Are you to decide what is bigoted thought, and what is not?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-33430094895263087082019-02-14T14:59:44.892-06:002019-02-14T14:59:44.892-06:00In my opinion, it is the Council of Bishops that h...In my opinion, it is the Council of Bishops that have caused this crisis to get to this point. If the Council had taken action and enforced the Book of Discipline when this controversy first occurred, we would not be discussing what to do now. Some timee in the past, the Council of Bishops (not the current Council) failed in carrying out their responsibilities. I would hate to see the United Methodist Church split, but I fear it is about to happen. We are at this time the Dis-United Methodist Church. While I welcome all members of the LGBTQ community to worship in all UMCs. I am, however opposed to practicing and or self-identifying members of the LGBTQ community in leadership and especially Clergy or teaching positions. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-78301980244823765202019-02-14T12:48:13.428-06:002019-02-14T12:48:13.428-06:00I agree with the comment by "Unknown" we...I agree with the comment by "Unknown" we cant straddle the fence. we can and do welcome ALL into the church, but as far as having any and all in leadership is not wise. if the gay person has repented, has had a conversion like the Apostle Paul, then by all means(with proof and a witness) they should be able to lead. we are not to forsake any who have come to and see the light of the Lord.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-33791693614206956552019-02-14T12:16:35.900-06:002019-02-14T12:16:35.900-06:00The delegates of General Conference 2019 should be...The delegates of General Conference 2019 should be focused on these four: the Connectional Conference Plan, the One Church Plan, the Simple Plan, and the (Modified) Traditional Plan. Exit option should be considered only after the main vote. Is this Conference about finding a way forward for our Denomination?... or finding a way to break it apart? Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-66409004351618554712019-02-14T08:06:17.755-06:002019-02-14T08:06:17.755-06:00Super, the EXIT PLAN.... just what UMC needs. A b...Super, the EXIT PLAN.... just what UMC needs. A bigoted Congregation taking over Church Property. So you will have bigoted UMCs squatting on what was once Church Property. And Non-Bigoted UMCs that will get lumped in with the Bigoted UMCs... what a disaster. You need to vote on only two plans. Are we gonna be bigoted or are we not? The Plethora of plans is just a way to make things worse, which they most certainly will.Ron Loren Pittshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02591836067382487225noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-91068503989509711672019-02-13T22:26:44.187-06:002019-02-13T22:26:44.187-06:00As a supporter of the Traditional/Modified Traditi...As a supporter of the Traditional/Modified Traditional Plan, I believe you've raised some important concerns - and I believe most UM's who support the T/MT Plan would agree with you, since I suspect a large majority of us don't want to leave important mission work and our overseas ministries without funding. <br /><br />Hopefully the issues you've raised will be prayerfully discussed and explored by the GC19 delegates as they vote on the various plans and make any decisions about exit clauses. Although I am in favor of voting on an exit clause before voting on any plan, I have wondered about the "payout" part of these clauses. It would seem that guaranteeing a year or two of mission funding by exiting congregations would be a wise move for the sake of those overseas missions. However, I would also want guarantees that the apportionment money would go to those particular ministries, and not to something "new" that had no connection to previous years' ministries. That kind of "bait and switch" would be dishonest and would only promote more distrust in denominational leadership - and we have enough of that already.Pastor Mikehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04319933447779008822noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-11547335034421698212019-02-13T18:27:20.096-06:002019-02-13T18:27:20.096-06:00Being strong in your faith and beliefs doesn't...Being strong in your faith and beliefs doesn't always make you the popular kid on the playground. Wow what a statement! I am strong in my faith and I was raised on the words of the Bible and I run my life by those words. You can't tell me that God was in favor of man and man and woman and woman sexual relationships, because the bible says that He was. I believe that you may recall that He destroyed two cities and everyone in them for doing just that. Don't come up to me and say that it's a different world now than it was back then and the words of the bible mean a different meaning these days, because to me, they mean the same as it written long ago. We've changed and we continue to go down and down. I believe in the Lord Jesus Christ as my Savior and keeper and I will serve Him when all others do not. No, I'm not the popular kid on the block, but I like it that way.<br />Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16332754539757581422noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-64839367531481304192019-02-13T17:01:24.553-06:002019-02-13T17:01:24.553-06:00Where is the end game? What is enough? Who decides...Where is the end game? What is enough? Who decides? When have we "evolved enough?" What is next...(that is troubling)? Being strong in your faith and beliefs doesn't always make you the popular kid on the playground. Did Wesley intend Methodism to be "one-size fits all." Edsel Fickeyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08912847632292584361noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4615496199721498323.post-54164694045871519932019-02-13T16:13:17.416-06:002019-02-13T16:13:17.416-06:00To me abandoning the other plans in favor of an ex...To me abandoning the other plans in favor of an exit plan is a good strategy. We do not want/need unity for unity's sake. https://reformedtruths.com/2019/01/31/unity-for-the-sake-of-unity/ davidtaylorjrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09474572459205675785noreply@blogger.com